Wedge loft help

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By Dave M

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  1. Dave M

    Dave M

    Hi guys. I'm going to order 3 new sm4 wedges and I've been bouncing back and forth on lofts to choose. Here's my situation my razor x wedge is a44 degree loft which is strong. Right now I have a 50,54 and 60. I know I want to go with 58 as my highest loft because I can't always control my 60 on full shots. Should I go 48 and 54 or I was thinking bending the 54 to a 53. Any ideas? Thanks
  2. Cameron D

    Cameron D
    Newport, RI

    Dave, 

    Keep in mind the yardage gaps that these lofts create.  You don't want to go beyond 15 yards between each wedge, and make sure that you can control the 3/4 shots (or for that matter, anything that isn't a full shot).  Try to get with a local club fitter who has all the loft options, and ask for them to work with you on wedge gapping and bounce. 

    Cameron

    1-888-TITLEIST 

  3. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    Why not bend your 60 to 59? Assuming it is 35" and the rest of the wedges are 35.5 or 35.25, maybe bend the lie angle 1/2 degree upright. I have a 50 (bent to 51), 54 (bent to 55) and 62. I have the lie angles set to 64.5 for the first two and 65 for the 62. Works fine. I also don't try to do all out full golf shots with my wedges unless absolutely necessary. I'll pitch my 9 or PW.
  4. Dave M

    Dave M

    Thanks guys great ideas lou
  5. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    Dave M said:

    Thanks guys great ideas lou
    Wedge lie angles, like the rest of the set should match club length. Standard 9 iron or PW (with 35.75 or 36" length) is normally 64*. The gap and sand wedges (which are 35.5 and 34) should be 1/2* more upright and the lob wedges should be 1* more upright. I had the same problem with LW and XW before - I could pitch all day but try to hit a full golf shot?? My lesson learned was when I constructed a set of irons in 2009. I set my 9 iron down to the 64* wedge all 35.5" with a lie angle of 64* and fared pretty well that way. When I started adding Vokeys back, I initially put a 60-07 and 64-07 in the bag and found out they worked very well with a 65* lie angle. When I added the 54-11 and 50-08 in, I set them to 64.5" lie angle and that did the trick. The reason I went to the 62-07 was more versatility with it vs both the 60-07 and 64-07.
  6. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    I also just added a Spin-Milled cc 58-04 to my wedge arsenal. I set the lie angle at 65*. So far it is proving to be a pretty versatile wedge. What offsets the low bounce is the wide flange. I actually was able to hit a bunker shot out of somewhat soft sand yesterday. Worked pretty well in grassy lies and tight lies. I put it through its paces at Adm Baker and Miramar practice greens and bunkers yesterday (the clubhouse practice green at Adm Baker has a deep bunker with wet packed sand and the putting surface is pretty fast, the driving range green has a big bunker with soft sand and a very small practice green, Miramar has a bunker with coarse sand and the pitching areas are closely mowed). If you look at the head on the wedge it seems to be quite similar to an old school sand wedge. I had been using 58 degree wedges between 1972 thru 2010 (I was told a few years ago that my Haig Ultra dual wedge, that I had carried between 1972-2007, was 58*, I carried a 258-12 between 2007-2009 and used a CG15 DSG 58 until the middle of 2010). The 58 has that little extra bit of roll needed to get the ball within one putt range.
  7. Victory

    Victory
    Manado, 0

    Hi Lou, i just fitted my new 712 mb with 2* flatter lie angle with standard lenght. Then based on that i bend my wedges (52-08,56-14,60-07) 2* flatter, but now i loss distance and the ball trajectory very high, do i make a mistake to bend the wedges? Was the loft & bounce changed when lie angle changed? What should i do. Another question is if i comfortable with my 56-14 should i use high bounce for 52 and 60 (52-12,60-10), thanks Victor Indonesia
  8. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    Guest U said:

    Hi Lou, i just fitted my new 712 mb with 2* flatter lie angle with standard lenght. Then based on that i bend my wedges (52-08,56-14,60-07) 2* flatter, but now i loss distance and the ball trajectory very high, do i make a mistake to bend the wedges? Was the loft & bounce changed when lie angle changed? What should i do. Another question is if i comfortable with my 56-14 should i use high bounce for 52 and 60 (52-12,60-10), thanks Victor Indonesia
    The lie angle shouldn't affect the bounce. Here's something to think about on the wedges: The MB 9 iron is 36" long and your adjusted lie angle is 62*. Your 52* wedge is 35.5" and should be 62.5 lie angle (1.5 flat). Your 56* wedge is 35.25" and should theoretically have a 62.75* lie angle (but 63 - 1* flat should work). The 60* wedge is 35" and should be 1* more upright than the 9 iron (63* = 1* flat). Bottom line is you have a horribly flat lob wedge. The way you should have your wedges fitted is to hit them on a lie board just like the rest of the clubs. You probably got used to swinging your wedges a certain way with the stock lie angles and now with the flatter lie angles you experience difficulty in hitting the ball. You don't want to have too much bounce on your gap wedge because you will be pitching or chipping off tight lies. 52-10 might be OK if you also want to use it for long bunker shots. I constructed a Snake Eyes 600W lob wedge (60-10) and it seemed to work in a variety of conditions. What I would do is bend your sand wedge and lob wedge to 1* flat and your gap wedge to 1.5* flat to make lie angle and length consistent with the rest of the set. You are also going to have to make an adjustment in your stance (more knee flex and bend more at the waist).
  9. Victory

    Victory
    Manado, 0

    Thanks Lou that's a good explanation
  10. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    I've been playing my GW and SW 1/2* upright and all my lob wedges 1* upright for 3 years now. I constructed a set of irons in 2009 and this is where the light bulb hit. I found that a length of 35.25- 35.5" and a lie angle of 64.5* worked fine for the 9 iron and wedges. I also had the 8 iron set to 36" with a lie angle of 63.5* and that worked well. I dialed in the 6 and 7 iron when I started playing longer courses again in late 2009. I played with the DIY irons from early 2009 until the middle of last year and have been consistently shooting in the 80s on a standard 6100 yard par 72 course and near par on most exec courses. I also worked a Vokey 60-07 and 64-07 back in the mix in late 2010 and found they worked very well with a lie angle of 65*. My fit now is Eye 2 Blue Dot or Titleist standard lie (latter verified by lie board) through the PW. GW and SW are 1/2* upright and LW/XW are 1* upright. A Blue Dot 4 iron is .25* flatter than a Titleist and the 9 iron is 1/2* more upright vs the latter. Also hitting a 5 iron very well now (although I have gotten so used to hitting a 5H or lofted wood since 2006 that I find it hard to switch).

  11. Jim E

    Jim E
    Cocoa, FL

    Hi Dave,

    I would pick the degree of wedge that will keep you distances in line.  I just got 3 new vokeys.  I got a 52 , 56 and a 60.

    52* is my 100 yarder, 56* is my 85 and the 60* is my 70 yard club.  Just be careful on the bounce.  I had a wedge fitting as recommended and they had me hitting off the mat only.  Now all three of my new wedges are short on bounce.  I have to go this evening and talk to the fitter.  I'm hoping he can make this right. 

  12. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    Jim E said:

    Hi Dave,

    I would pick the degree of wedge that will keep you distances in line.  I just got 3 new vokeys.  I got a 52 , 56 and a 60.

    52* is my 100 yarder, 56* is my 85 and the 60* is my 70 yard club.  Just be careful on the bounce.  I had a wedge fitting as recommended and they had me hitting off the mat only.  Now all three of my new wedges are short on bounce.  I have to go this evening and talk to the fitter.  I'm hoping he can make this right. 

    I believe I responded to your post in another thread. For me, I seldom hit a full golf shot with my Vokeys. I'll pitch a 9 iron 80 yards before I'll hit a full golf shot with a sand wedge (I'd also be more likely to hit a choke shot with the 50 if the pin position is tight). I have my full swing distances established (100 for the 51, 80 for the 55, 65 for the 58 and 50 for the 62) but only use them when essential and with a controlled swing. Better distance control if one doesn't try to knock the snot out of a wedge.
  13. Dave M

    Dave M

    Thank you all for the great insight I really appreciate it.
  14. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    During my practice at the park today, I made a small adjustment in stance and was able to hit pretty close to 75 yards with the 58. I use my PW and 50 most often for full swing square stance shots.

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